tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post115428577172235963..comments2023-10-07T19:40:39.894-12:00Comments on OF CHRISTIAN WOMEN: Sola Scriptura PreludeCarriehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01946467018269374351noreply@blogger.comBlogger188125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154807023647642372006-08-05T07:43:00.000-12:002006-08-05T07:43:00.000-12:00Yikes - I didn't know this topic would bring so mu...Yikes - I didn't know this topic would bring so much discussion. I know I am chaiming in very late on this...and all I want to say (although I have not read all 188 comments - but some): I am sorry to see that Christians can say so many hurtful things. This is not Christ-like. No wonder some unbelievers don't want to have anything to do with Christians.<BR/>Carrie - as always - you are very thoughtful on your answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154673391483420882006-08-03T18:36:00.000-12:002006-08-03T18:36:00.000-12:00phd4jesus said, "this is what I found on Bruce, on...phd4jesus said, <I>"this is what I found on Bruce, one of the author's that she cites ... Not someone I would use as an expert."</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, goodness gracious, he's absolutely an expert, an <B><I>Evangelical</B></I> expert. Have you never heard of him?! <I>The Canon of Scripture</I>, published by InterVarsity Press, is a classic text.<BR/><BR/>Read what <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.F._Bruce" REL="nofollow">Wiki</A> says.<BR/><BR/>Geez, who are the scholars that you read? Just so I know for next time.Moonshadowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11277057132720569896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154651456408450892006-08-03T12:30:00.000-12:002006-08-03T12:30:00.000-12:00Maybe we can slowly tick it up. I just wanted peop...Maybe we can slowly tick it up. <BR/><BR/>I just wanted people to actually read and not be turned off when they see that many comments. <BR/><BR/>Besides, all that scrolling just can't be good for you.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the extra ticks, ladies.Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04697072499214349759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154613373227664482006-08-03T01:56:00.000-12:002006-08-03T01:56:00.000-12:00Whew! I stopped reading around 100, but when I sa...Whew! I stopped reading around 100, but when I saw 185 comments, I had to see what in the world was going on!! Bet you never imagined THIS, Carrie, when you wrote that post.<BR/><BR/>I'm worn out from the scroll...........Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03591733577488673442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154576046073165632006-08-02T15:34:00.000-12:002006-08-02T15:34:00.000-12:00People will scroll but will they read? Go for it....People will scroll but will they read? Go for it. Hit that 200!michelehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01681522311658153789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154567795719026402006-08-02T13:16:00.000-12:002006-08-02T13:16:00.000-12:00Oh we don't mind Carrie. : )I still think we shou...Oh we don't mind Carrie. : )<BR/><BR/>I still think we should get to 200!Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154565872898628172006-08-02T12:44:00.000-12:002006-08-02T12:44:00.000-12:00No one is going to want to scroll down this far, t...No one is going to want to scroll down this far, though 200 is tempting. <BR/><BR/>Let's move this up:<BR/>http://ofchristianwomen.blogspot.com/2006/08/sola-scriptura-sole-fide-and-sola.htmlCarriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04697072499214349759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154565648666883422006-08-02T12:40:00.000-12:002006-08-02T12:40:00.000-12:00What man told the Jews what to include in the Old ...<I>What man told the Jews what to include in the Old Testament?</I><BR/><BR/>It appears to be the Jewish leaders (<B>men</B>) at the Council of Jamnia:<BR/><BR/>"The next major piece of evidence to be noted is the Council of Jamnia, which seems to have taken place around 90 AD. This council established and closed the canon authoritatively for nearly all Jews. It has been their canon ever since. Yet it should be noted that the council did not speak for all Jews, there were Jews living in Ethiopia who either did not hear of it or did not accept the decision of Jamnia. To this day they use a different canon than their Palestinian brethren [Encyclopedia Judaica, Vol 6, p 1147]."<BR/>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/canon.htmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154564217208165712006-08-02T12:16:00.000-12:002006-08-02T12:16:00.000-12:00I think we should try to hit 200!I think we should try to hit 200!Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154563634185429402006-08-02T12:07:00.000-12:002006-08-02T12:07:00.000-12:00Okay, I disappeared and I see the discussion is st...Okay, I disappeared and I see the discussion is started again, maybe?<BR/><BR/>I'm starting a new post. Can we please move this discussion there, this comment section is getting a bit long. <BR/><BR/>Feel free to copy some of these comments over if needed. <BR/><BR/>Thanks!Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04697072499214349759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154563379554590652006-08-02T12:02:00.000-12:002006-08-02T12:02:00.000-12:00Tony, when you get a chance, seriously...for the s...Tony, when you get a chance, seriously...for the sola scriptura debate, I want to have an early foundation - from the beginning and that means the Old Testament.<BR/><BR/>What man told the Jews what to include in the Old Testament?<BR/><BR/>The answer you give will have a bearing on the one you get.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154563267373355362006-08-02T12:01:00.000-12:002006-08-02T12:01:00.000-12:00Tony, what do you need to do in order to get to he...Tony, what do <STRONG>you</STRONG> need to <STRONG>do</STRONG> in order to get to heaven?<BR/><BR/>All jousting aside - eternity considered with no games.<BR/><BR/>What do you need to DO?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154563199269739802006-08-02T11:59:00.001-12:002006-08-02T11:59:00.001-12:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154563148854840722006-08-02T11:59:00.000-12:002006-08-02T11:59:00.000-12:00Tony, we're all tired of your games. I have a cou...Tony, we're all tired of your games. I have a couple of very simple questions and the answers you give may very well have an answer on the one you get.<BR/><BR/>I'm perfectly willing to answer your question, but not until you set the foundation for the sola scriptura debate (the beginning - not Rome)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154562775305802672006-08-02T11:52:00.000-12:002006-08-02T11:52:00.000-12:00No - the men at the ecumenical councils were not i...<I>No - the men at the ecumenical councils were not inspired of God.</I><BR/><BR/>If not, who were the <B>men</B> that decided your Canon. This is pretty simple stuff. Unless God placed the Good Book in your hands, there was earthly intervention to do so. This means that some <B>men</B> chose your Canon.<BR/><BR/>I'm simply asking which <B>men</B> were they? That's not that hard a question is it?<BR/><BR/>If they weren't men, and they were angels or demons, let me know that instead.<BR/><BR/>If you don't know, that's a perfectly good answer too. There's no shame in not knowing who decided the Canon of your Bible. I don't know about you, but one of the first things I would do if I were you would be to research who decided my Canon. Unless you don't care. That would be even worse. Because you're putting your faith in <B>men</B> who were supposedly inspired by the Holy Spirit and you don't even know who they were.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154559840131373532006-08-02T11:04:00.000-12:002006-08-02T11:04:00.000-12:00The short answer didn't answer the question that I...The short answer didn't answer the question that I asked,<BR/><BR/><EM>What do you need to <STRONG>do</STRONG> to get to heaven?<BR/><BR/>The short answer is the grace of God.</EM>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154559764333691242006-08-02T11:02:00.000-12:002006-08-02T11:02:00.000-12:00No, the long answer was best.But you missed one.Is...No, the long answer was best.<BR/><BR/>But you missed one.<BR/><BR/>Is there anything else?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154559277326680742006-08-02T10:54:00.000-12:002006-08-02T10:54:00.000-12:00Uh...it was a nine word question and for that you ...Uh...it was a nine word question and for that you expect the Summa?<BR/><BR/>in a com box no less.<BR/><BR/>OK here we go:<BR/>Yes. Jesus told us to bapize and to be baptized. HOWEVER there is also the baptism of desire and some other theological points where the church relies on the Mercy of God for the soul of the departed. We talked about that a bit yeterday with stillbirth.<BR/><BR/>2-5 are yes. That is part of living a Christian life and being a follower of Christ. But again when we fail on these things a sincere repentence brings complete forgiveness, so back to my first answer - by the grace of God.<BR/><BR/>6. Devotion and prayers to Mary or the saints are optional.<BR/><BR/>7. Is maybe. It depends on why your mortal sin is unconfessed. But if there is a sincere sorrow for the sin and no opportunity to confess, again we point to the Mercy and Grace of God. <BR/><BR/>So it seems the short answer was the best answer afterall.Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154558783357095892006-08-02T10:46:00.000-12:002006-08-02T10:46:00.000-12:00Elena, I wasn't asking for the short answer.do you...Elena, I wasn't asking for the short answer.<BR/><BR/>do you have to be baptized?<BR/>do you have to go to mass and receive the sacraments?<BR/>do you have to love your neighbor?<BR/>do you have to obey the ten commandments?<BR/>do you have to do good works?<BR/>do you have to pray and have devotion to Mary?<BR/>do you have to die without unconfessed mortal sin?<BR/><BR/>is there anything else?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154558543494048702006-08-02T10:42:00.000-12:002006-08-02T10:42:00.000-12:00Elena, all jousting aside.OK, but a little good na...<I>Elena, all jousting aside.</I><BR/><BR/>OK, but a little good natured jousting is what makes this fun!<BR/><BR/><I>How do you know that you'll get to heaven?</I><BR/><BR/>I don't. I hope that by living a good solid Christian life, persevering to the end, as St. Paul says, that I will make it. Dare I bring up the P word? <BR/><BR/><I>What do you need to do to get to heaven?</I><BR/><BR/>The short answer is the grace of God.Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154558364381886572006-08-02T10:39:00.000-12:002006-08-02T10:39:00.000-12:00I'll leave your refusal to answer my question for ...I'll leave your refusal to answer my question for the moment and ask you to answer the ones right above.<BR/><BR/>This is important to me. Really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154558296802468472006-08-02T10:38:00.000-12:002006-08-02T10:38:00.000-12:00Elena, all jousting aside.How do you know that you...Elena, all jousting aside.<BR/><BR/>How do you know that you'll get to heaven?<BR/><BR/>What do you need to do to get to heaven?<BR/><BR/>(those are two different questions)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154558242769326032006-08-02T10:37:00.000-12:002006-08-02T10:37:00.000-12:00OK so the writers were inspired, but it was just d...<I>OK so the writers were inspired, but it was just dumb luck that the councils approved them...<BR/><BR/>A little sarcasm thrown in...</I><BR/><BR/>Oh... absolutely. That was completely cheeky it gave me a tooth ache!!!!<BR/><BR/><I>There's a reason that I keep asking the question that you are refuse to answer.<BR/><BR/>Can you give me a Biblical basis for the ecumenical counils (not some twisted Roman Catholic interpretations that drag passages out of context or outright lie) are inspired in the same way the writers were? </I><BR/><BR/>well now you're switching the bait. I don't believe Tony or I said that they were "inspired in the same way" as the writers were. But I don't think you can say theHoly Spirit ws totally out of the equation and that the councis just approved the books so that they could get home to dinner!<BR/><BR/>If you are denying they were inspired and lead by the spirit, then you're kind of saying it was just per chance. The bible, according to you, is here just by luck? I don't think most CHristians, even on your side of the aisle would hold to that.Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154557991620057412006-08-02T10:33:00.000-12:002006-08-02T10:33:00.000-12:00attempts to discredit Martin Luther, via a diagnos...<I>attempts to discredit Martin Luther, via a diagnosis made who knows how many years after his death...doesn't mean that the Roman Catholic church wasn't entirely corrupt.</I><BR/><BR/>Bright red herring and strawman argument in that I never said that it did.Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18336822.post-1154557909790187512006-08-02T10:31:00.000-12:002006-08-02T10:31:00.000-12:00Being taught a works-based salvation with no assur...<I>Being taught a works-based salvation with no assurance would tend to make me examine myself for hours also.</I><BR/><BR/>Catholicism is a grace-based salvation. <BR/><BR/><I>In my psychology classes they teach a very important thing: Don't attempt to diagnose the dead.</I><BR/><BR/>I took medical anthropology in school - FASCINATING topic and really helped make historical figures real. Where would the History Channel be without it!<BR/><BR/><I>I would guess that a Roman Catholic site would have a slight bias. And it shows.</I><BR/><BR/>The book I gave the URL for, however, was written by a nonCatholic.Elena LaVictoirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18108910015959872763noreply@blogger.com